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spirit_of_ice · Jun 23, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by arredondo

Kishin: That's an unnecessary grinding activity. You lose a match, you want to go from an Illusion/Hex MeNe to a Domination/Blood MeNe. By getting all 24 points back upon return, you'll be back in battle in under a minute. Your way (the current way) takes 5-10 minutes as you type in character name to delete the old, create new name and stats, choose items, etc.

As you say yourself, they both accomplish the exact same thing, so why not just go for the expiditious option? I mean I can remove all my clothes everytime I want to take a leak, but it's simpler just to pull down the zipper to handle my business.

LMFAO, really, just quit with it before you make yourself look any more whiny. Oh noes, not 5-10 minutes of my precious time wasted changing character! It's more like 2 or 3 if you know what build you want, which makes it barely more time than changing your attribute scores and skills over. You lose what, 5 seconds logging out, 5 mroe logging in, maybe 10 to delete your old character and then 2-3 minutes recreating your char.

I'd rather se ethem put the time and effort into coding something that actually needs changing, like the update they say is comnig to add more PvE rewards which are asthetic now that PvP will be unlocking.

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The rock-headed selfish debaters who wanted to keep PvE as the main focus instead of an equal and fair experience for all can now go cry softly in their pillow. You play GW your way (as it remains unchanged), and let us play GW our way.

Thats absolute rubbish and you know it is. I saw hardly any of the people debating saying "PvE should be the focus", mos tof the people just didn't want UAX of any kind, which was what all the PvP types were driving for. If you look in any discussion where unlocking via PvP comes up you will notice that nobody complained about it. What people complained about was UAX, so go take your self-loving "PvE'ers are idiots" attitude and take it where its wanted, cos it aint wanted here.

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Siran Dunmorgan

So the solution is to build separate restaurants? Run separate bus lines?

"We don't want to ride your buses. We don't want to eat in your restaurants. We don't even want to live in your neighborhoods. We want our own restaurants. We want our own bus lines. We want our own neighborhoods. And if you weakling-n00b-carebears come into our neighborhoods, we'll make you regret it, 'cause you're not tough enough to cut it on our side of the tracks. Oh—and stuff your gun control laws, too, 'cause we want all the best military-grade weapons and armor for free."

Well—yeah. The nice thing about Guild Wars is that that's actually likely to work, where it wouldn't in real life.

—Siran Dunmorgan

All players have equal access to all modes at all times. That's how the new system works, but it was heavily tilted toward forcing you to PvE as it stands now. The separation, after the update, will only exist if you impose it on yourself. You can do anything you want at anytime.

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by spirit_of_ice

LMFAO, really, just quit with it before you make yourself look any more whiny. Oh noes, not 5-10 minutes of my precious time wasted changing character!

Funny to read empty thoughts from someone who spends his time tailing my whining posts with whines of his own. Which is worse, a complainer that "foolishly" suggests improvements about certain game mechanics in the suggestion forum, or being the fool that complains about the complainer?

Go back to playing PvE in your momma's basement and stop interrupting us little man. Grown folks are talking.

/ignore troll

Jwh6913 · Jun 23, 2005, 06:36 PM // 18:36

well, at least with this update, most of the the pvpers will be leaving the PVE realm. hmm that could account for some of the idiots out there

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 23, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

well, at least with this update, most of the the pvpers will be leaving the PVE realm. hmm that could account for some of the idiots out there

Oh indeed. Personaly i didnt argue with any of this... but with this update coming, i think i'll be leaving most of the pve content, and just use my one pve character later when more content becomes available... personaly i love the pvp alot more then pve, because it's just fun... Well, in this game... it's beyond fun for me... i mean, king of the hill, capture the flag(relic) type games in pvp... what other game has these sort of things in this type of a manner, i mean... not only do you play these, but you fight in bigger battle royals... and then finish it all off at hoh with a battle And king of the hill (being sandwiched in can be frightning)... The pvp update is going to make me love the game even more then i already do... wow... anet rules.

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Originally Posted by arredondo

Funny to read empty thoughts from someone who spends his time tailing my whining posts with whines of his own. Which is worse, a complainer that "foolishly" suggests improvements about certain game mechanics in the suggestion forum, or being the fool that complains about the complainer?

Go back to playing PvE in your momma's basement and stop interrupting us little man. Grown folks are talking.

/ignore troll

I about spit up my coffee, that was simply hillarious.

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

I agree. There'll be a lot more activity in the PvP modes with this awesome update. Arena.net is doing an amazing job and full props to them.

Heretics Fork · Jun 23, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I know I said I was done on this thread in a previous post, but now I just need to say. YOU ARE A FREAKING RETARD IF YOU THINK YOU'RE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!! Quit playing the victim.

Discrimination is not being able to get a loan because of the way you look.
As a smoker, there are TONS of places I can't go to smoke. Does it mean i'm being discriminated against? NO! It means I can go there as long as I'm not smoking.

Nobody's saying you CAN'T PvP (that would be discrimination). You've got several opportunities you might not in other games, so why are you bitching like you need your diaper changed? How would you feel if you couldn't make a PvP char at all? You had to go into ranked guild battles and do the tombs with whatever level of toon you have? Then how would you like it? But you don't wanna look at the fact that it will give you the lvl20 to start with, the skills you've unlocked with different chars on that account, the items you've unlocked on that account, and some of the highest rated armor you can get in the game? Do you even LOOK at any of that?

So until you learn that there is a big difference between inconvienence and discrimination, you should kinda watch what you blurt out because it makes you look very unintelligent.

And before you go on a rant about me, keep in mind that I do PvP quite a bit and I still disagree with you and your limited point of view.

Maybe this update will shut you up.

Siran Dunmorgan · Jun 23, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by arredondo

All players have equal access to all modes at all times. That's how the new system works, but it was heavily tilted toward forcing you to PvE as it stands now. The separation, after the update, will only exist if you impose it on yourself. You can do anything you want at anytime.

Heh. You know you can do anything you want in the game at any time the way it stands now, right? That the only thing 'forcing' you to PvE is the notion that you absolutely, positively, must have all the best military-grade everything?

The separation that you speak of already exists: you can see it in the use of terms like 'carebear' used for primarily PvE players, and in the attitude I cited above, that "you better stay off our playground, carebear! 'cause we gonna eat you!"

I have no doubt that the update will ameliorate some of this, in that the PvP players will, finally, get their own playground, so they're not 'forced' to play on the same playground as the fat, slow, ugly kids.

But there will still be a lot of complaints that it's not a "give me all the über l3wt for free!" button.

—Siran Dunmorgan

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Heretics Fork

I know I said I was done on this thread in a previous post, but now I just need to say. YOU ARE A FREAKING RETARD IF YOU THINK YOU'RE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!! Quit playing the victim.

Discrimination is not being able to get a loan because of the way you look.
As a smoker, there are TONS of places I can't go to smoke. Does it mean i'm being discriminated against? NO! It means I can go there as long as I'm not smoking.

Nobody's saying you CAN'T PvP (that would be discrimination). You've got several opportunities you might not in other games, so why are you bitching like you need your diaper changed? How would you feel if you couldn't make a PvP char at all? You had to go into ranked guild battles and do the tombs with whatever level of toon you have? Then how would you like it? But you don't wanna look at the fact that it will give you the lvl20 to start with, the skills you've unlocked with different chars on that account, the items you've unlocked on that account, and some of the highest rated armor you can get in the game? Do you even LOOK at any of that?

So until you learn that there is a big difference between inconvienence and discrimination, you should kinda watch what you blurt out because it makes you look very unintelligent.

And before you go on a rant about me, keep in mind that I do PvP quite a bit and I still disagree with you and your limited point of view.

Maybe this update will shut you up.

Lol, your education apparently has giving you only one definition for the word 'discrimination'. Itr is NOT a word used only for race issues. Haven't you seen the commercial for that ritzy mustard, made for those with "discriminating" tastes? Too funny how worked up you're getting for no reason.

I can't help you see that this is NOT comparing to any real world issues. Still, as I said above to the person who brought up Civil Rights as a serious comparison (even though I was clearly joking), I still explained that one side (PvE) had the benefit of ignoring the other (PvP). However, before the announcement for next weeks wonderful update, the other side (PvP, were forced to do something they may not want to do (PvE).

That's a system favoring one style of play over the other, technically being discriminatory to the play style that many are happy to see improved next week. This, again, is NOT anywhere near the same meaning of race relations or otherwise.

Lol, go on a freedom march or smoke a peace pipe if it'll make you feel better about the world. I shouldn't have to define words to make a point clear. There's nothing here to get so worked up over. Improvements are on the way, and we should all be happy.

R F O X · Jun 23, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Heck before ya know it all the PvP ONLY ppl are going to start asking a-net for there money back, and want to keep the game to! just b/c they want to play PvP only.

Heck you want everything else give to you all you got to do is bitch about long enough and a-net will fall to there knees and yes PvP players yes we will do your bidding.

Dont get me wrong i like playing some PvP but this is a RPG let me say again RPG ROLL PLAYING GAME i dont think PvP or in other words FPS fits into the RPG catagory.

So to conclude if all you want to play is PvP then go get call of duty or half life or what ever you prefer of a FPS choice but plz PvP players quit trying to get a-net to make everything so easy and ruin the RPG aspect of the game b/c of your laziness.

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Siran Dunmorgan

Heh. You know you can do anything you want in the game at any time the way it stands now, right? That the only thing 'forcing' you to PvE is the notion that you absolutely, positively, must have all the best military-grade everything?

—Siran Dunmorgan

OK, I'll take the Siran challenge and create a world beater with the current system. As a matter of fact, I'll create a new PvE character and a new custom PvP character. I've been always playing my MeNe, so let me get busy with something new... a RaMo sounds interesting.

For the PvP creation, let's see the skills.... whoa! Only seven Ranger skills and four Monk skills to choose from. Not one elite either... hmmm. Some decent armour though, but let me put in some runes and.... hey! Where are all the good runes?!

Undeterred, I put in 100 hours with my PvP character. He's still just as pitiful as he was when I first created him. No opportunity for growth at all. I must simply use what I have and be quiet as I am continually plastered by people who have full equipment, and precise builds with their favorite uber-elites. The only chance I had was to be FORCED to put in an many, many PvE hours. How sad that choice isn't an option at this time.

Now time to go to PvE with a new RaMo. Butt naked at the beginning, but the challenge matches my abilities. After 100 hours, what do you know, I now have a tricked out character with skills, runes and elites for both of my classes.

I was able to do pure PvE, or take on Arenas and Tombs for PvP action, or both. The choice was mine! I didn't have to do PvP, but I wanted to. In one arena, I even saw an enemy RaMo clone with the same limited skill set that my own PvP toon has. Lol, die carebear die (PvP carebear that is =D). What choice does he have to just roll over if he isn't equipped for real battle?

Ironically, a pure PvE character is way more ready for PvP than a pure PvP character! Good times for all when it changes next week.

Quintus · Jun 23, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Rfox

Heck before ya know it all the PvP ONLY ppl are going to start asking a-net for there money back, and want to keep the game to! just b/c they want to play PvP only.

Heck you want everything else give to you all you got to do is bitch about long enough and a-net will fall to there knees and yes PvP players yes we will do your bidding.

Dont get me wrong i like playing some PvP but this is a RPG let me say again RPG ROLL PLAYING GAME i dont think PvP or in other words FPS fits into the RPG catagory.

So to conclude if all you want to play is PvP then go get call of duty or half life or what ever you prefer of a FPS choice but plz PvP players quit trying to get a-net to make everything so easy and ruin the RPG aspect of the game b/c of your laziness.

I know! All this whining reminds me of that one time, when all those players were whining and bitching about "sigils". You would think that after Anet didn't do anything to help those players, these players would realise that it is a lost cause.

(Just in case you are confused, I am refering to the PvE players whining about having to PvP in order to get a Sigil for the guild hall. Anet heard their whining and put in a sigil trader.)

So to conclude if all you want to do is PvE then go get Bulder's Gate or KoTOR or Morrowind or WoW or Everquest or any other RPG-centric game you prefer. You have to realise that this is a PvP and PvE game. Both sides are important for the success of the game, and both sides should be represented equally.

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Rfox

Dont get me wrong i like playing some PvP but this is a RPG let me say again RPG ROLL PLAYING GAME i dont think PvP or in other words FPS fits into the RPG catagory.

Thank you for your limited definition of Guild Wars. Now let's see Arena.net's more accurate definition from their FAQ:

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Is Guild Wars an MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game)?

Rather than labeling Guild Wars an MMORPG, we prefer to call it a CORPG (Competitive Online Role-Playing Game). Guild Wars was designed from the ground up to create the best possible competitive role-playing experience.

http://www.guildwars.com/faq/default.html

The key word is "competitive", as in PvP. While I'm all for continual improvements and added content for PvE, some of you lost, or never had, focus on what makes this game different than most other games in the genre. Don't try to redefine it now; the company is clear as to how vital PvP is to the game's long term success. PvE is an awesome bonus, and it is faaaaaar more complete than I thought it would be, but PvP is ultimately where they expect the biggest audience and support over the long term.

Loviatar · Jun 23, 2005, 10:24 PM // 22:24

[QUOTE=Quintus]I know! All this whining reminds me of that one time, when all those players were whining and bitching about "sigils". You would think that after Anet didn't do anything to help those players, these players would realise that it is a lost cause.

(Just in case you are confused, I am refering to the PvE players whining about having to PvP in order to get a Sigil for the guild hall. Anet heard their whining and put in a sigil trader.)

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just for the fun of it a very large chunk of that complaining was coming from pvp people as most of the pve were enjoying the game (why would i need a hall for anyway)

Quintus · Jun 23, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

As I understand it, the PvE-only players wanted a hall as a "meeting place" to "get away from all the people talking in towns". I can only assume that those players had never heard of international districts and/or turning off all chat except guild chat.

Loviatar · Jun 23, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

[QUOTE=arredondo]Thank you for your limited definition of Guild Wars. Now let's see Arena.net's more accurate definition from their FAQ:

The key word is "competitive", as in PvP. QUOTE]

no it is not

here is what it actually says

Rather than labeling Guild Wars an MMORPG, we prefer to call it a CORPG (Competitive Online Role-Playing Game). Guild Wars was designed from the ground up to create the best possible competitive role-playing experience.

arredondo · Jun 23, 2005, 10:48 PM // 22:48

What are you saying that is different than what I am saying? We all "role-play" as Rangers, Mesmers and Monks while we stomp on each other "competitively"... tomayto, tomahto.

Heretics Fork · Jun 23, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by arredondo

Lol, your education apparently has giving you only one definition for the word 'discrimination'. Itr is NOT a word used only for race issues. Haven't you seen the commercial for that ritzy mustard, made for those with "discriminating" tastes? Too funny how worked up you're getting for no reason.

I can't help you see that this is NOT comparing to any real world issues. Still, as I said above to the person who brought up Civil Rights as a serious comparison (even though I was clearly joking), I still explained that one side (PvE) had the benefit of ignoring the other (PvP). However, before the announcement for next weeks wonderful update, the other side (PvP, were forced to do something they may not want to do (PvE).

That's a system favoring one style of play over the other, technically being discriminatory to the play style that many are happy to see improved next week. This, again, is NOT anywhere near the same meaning of race relations or otherwise.

Lol, go on a freedom march or smoke a peace pipe if it'll make you feel better about the world. I shouldn't have to define words to make a point clear. There's nothing here to get so worked up over. Improvements are on the way, and we should all be happy.

My comparisons are obviously too hard for you to understand. My whole point is you don't know what discrimination is. My point is, since you can still play PvP, you're not discriminated against. I can see that you wanted to avoid the other points that actually present an argument on why you're not being discriminated against and you chose to avoid them because you know you can't counter it.

And I'm not a damn pot smokin, protesting hippie. If you'd look back at how you carry on, you're acting like a hippie on a hunger strike whining about stuff because it doesn't cater to YOU. Anet and the players in this game don't owe you a damn thing. But you want to throw a fit like a 5 year old until you get your way. So say hi to Jim Morrison to me, hippie.

So take some Mydol or something and I'll be looking forward to hearing more bitching from you when the new updates aren't exactly what YOU want.

spirit_of_ice · Jun 24, 2005, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by arredondo

Funny to read empty thoughts from someone who spends his time tailing my whining posts with whines of his own. Which is worse, a complainer that "foolishly" suggests improvements about certain game mechanics in the suggestion forum, or being the fool that complains about the complainer?

Go back to playing PvE in your momma's basement and stop interrupting us little man. Grown folks are talking.

/ignore troll

My post contained no whining whatsoever, I just rebuted your suggestion. I let you make asuggestion in the suggestion forum, then I told you it was a crap suggestion, is that banned now? If someone came in and said "hey I know, why dont we put guns in GW!" I wouldn't be allowed to say "don't be a dumbass, guns dont fit with the theme of GW".

I didn't actually complain about your complaint, I was simply showing why your suggestion wasn't a good one, through the medium of sarcasm and irony. All your suggestion seemed to do was be searching for something new to complain about in the game now that Areanet have fixed the thing you were griping about, as the suggestion you made had little to no value in the game whatsoever.

Oh, and Im not a PvE'er, I don't play in my mums basement, nor ever have, and you are the only one here being a "little man" by searching desperately for something to complain about. Maybe you should go back to your little PvP fantasy world and learn to take rebuttals as rebuttals and not take them as personal insults.

So far the only person I ahve seen trolling on this thread is you, attacking any person textually (like verbally...but by text) who doesn't agree with your simple minded version of the game where the PvP class rule by being "elite" and noobs are persecuted and forced into little ghettos where they are victimised out of the game, after all, thats all I ever see most of the PvP community doing when they aren't posting long threads on how Anet isnt pandering to their needs.

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What are you saying that is different than what I am saying? We all "role-play" as Rangers, Mesmers and Monks while we stomp on each other "competitively"... tomayto, tomahto.

It's not roleplaying to play a game as a ranger or warrior. If that was the case tomb raider would be a role play as you are playing lara croft. The art of roleplay is to go into the mindset of that character and try to become that character as much as possible through your interaction with the virtual world around you. From your inability to understand Roleplaying or Discrimination, and your viewpoint that all PvE players are "noobs" and can't play the game makes me wonder whether it is worth wasting my time trying to discuss things with you, as at the moment anything anybody says jsut seems to bounce off an incredibly thick iron skull.

arredondo · Jun 24, 2005, 01:43 AM // 01:43

OK, I'll simplify this... PvP is going to be far less chained to PvE next week. As a result, I'm estatic, and many other players are too. If it bothers you, hopefully you'll get over it. If you can't, cie la vie.